Guess Two Things...

"Lets Just Drive" (lets-just-drive)
10/18/2013 at 18:34 • Filed to: None

... about the owner of this car, which I spotted today.

Okay, did you guess? No? Well here you go:

The owner was wearing a Porsche-branded jacket and cap.

I'd also accept; he was a man and in his 60's.

DISCUSSION (71)

D > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:35

Pictured: D's favorite 911

Sparf > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:36

That's actually not a bad color combination, although it would look even better if it was inverted.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:37

If it was a Ferrari he'd also be wearing a Ferrari shirt and Ferrari underwear.

Lets Just Drive > D
10/18/2013 at 18:37

According to the owner, who by all outward signs is a member of the Porsche owners club on the Island said it's the only one here-about's.

Lets Just Drive > Sparf
10/18/2013 at 18:38

It's a 911. I wouldn't be too worried about color. It's a 911.

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 18:39

1st World Problems.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:44

And pushing his grand kid around in this:

Kinja'd!!!

Ferrero1911 > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:45

Kinja'd!!!

I don't own an Abarth shirt. Does that make my color combo ok?

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:46

Funny how Corvette guys get trashed for the same reason. What comes around...

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:47

I hope he's a good driver or only goes to Porsche owners club only track days. I've heard that driving a GT3 at multi-make events is like putting a big target on your back. Everyone drives as hard as possible to beat the GT3.

Shiftright > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:50

Also, probably kinda douchy

Shiftright > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 18:51

You drive an Abarth...that excuses you from mostly all sins

Ferrero1911 > Shiftright
10/18/2013 at 18:52

Haha. Thanks!

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 18:53

I hate that I like that stroller.

Atomic Buffalo > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom
10/18/2013 at 18:54

Yeah, but Corvette guys also wear spare tires.

Wave Motion Gun > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:54

I'm usually seen around town wearing a Ferrari or Ford hat. Get some strange looks when filling up the Porsche.

Lets Just Drive > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 18:54

Lets Just Drive > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom
10/18/2013 at 18:56

Not to put too fine a point on it, but there is something of a difference between "Corvette guys" and "Porschephiles".

Myself, I wear blipshift and such, as I love automotive themed t-shirts and the like, but I don't own any Ford or Mustang branded stuff I wear in the Mustang.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 18:59

LOL I feel ya. I hate it yet I like it.

A Ferrari car seat would be a little more subtle since it would only be seen from inside the car.

Kinja'd!!!

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 18:59

Haha!

He said as much, though not in terms of on-the-track behavior. Owning the only GT3 RS (there are a few GT2's and a non-RS GT3) on the island he get's stopped, investigated and prodded with sticks by every single Porsche-owner and car guy out there!

Lets Just Drive > Shiftright
10/18/2013 at 19:00

Didn't come away thinking that, but how much can you really tell in a few moments?

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:00

LOL it's the ultimate dude magnet!

Ferrero1911 > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:00

He sounds jealous.

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 19:01

There is not a Recarco brand car-seat in the back of the Mustang for our due-in-2-to-3 weeks child.

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 19:02

I'm actually really surprised there isn't a bigger gay car community out there for that very reason.

Straight guys buy hot cars to attract straight women and end up attracting straight men, instead.

We're bad at this whole Pomp thing.

Lets Just Drive > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 19:04

That's one opinion to come away with. Another, and more correct opinion, would come to you if you watched more of his/their videos. This isn't Hate-On-The-Abarth stuff, this is Regular Car reviews.

Did you know that you can shave soap into the shape of a penis and use it to clean your rectum?

Lets Just Drive > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 19:06

I love the 500 Abarth, btw. I'm not trying to be a hater or rain on your parade or any of that junk.

Sorry if that's how it read!

ArmchairHero > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:12

The reason I tell so many of my straight girl friends to buy cool cars. Seriously the difference between a crossover, CUV girl-thing, and a sweet hot hatch like a fiesta ST is one gets attention the right type of attention from the opposite sex. I mean who doesn't want to date a gearhead, right?

Lets Just Drive > ArmchairHero
10/18/2013 at 19:15

No Kidding!

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RMudkips > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:23

I find 997 owners to be more...uh, that guy .

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:23

Yeah it is pretty funny. Guys buy expensive fast cars that they think will attract women but usually they don't. This is especially true of performance cars with familiar shapes. An M3 isn't that distinguishable from a regular 3 Series if the girl isn't a gearhead. This became especially true when BMW started the whole M Sport line. And a 911 looks like a 911, so there are a lot of them out there. I live in a section of So Cal where neither of these cars get many looks. Which is kind of nice for me since I have both and I can commute without getting attention.

If a guy wants to attract non-gearhead women he needs to buy something that is rare and looks exotic. A fugly Ferrari 360 Spider can be had around here for less than a new Carrera S and get a lot more attention. Most girls won't care that it's not as fast as the Porsche. Even though I don't like how the 360 looks I sometimes think I should have got it instead of my 997 and E90 M3, lol.

Lets Just Drive > RMudkips
10/18/2013 at 19:26

The newer the more "uh"-er. Amiright?

Manuél Ferrari > ArmchairHero
10/18/2013 at 19:26

Totally agree. Nothing sexier than a sexy girl in a hot car.

One of my ex's was semi-into cars. She had an Integra in HS and then an Audi A4 1.8 MT when I met her (that unfortunately got totaled when someone hit her).

I'm currently trying to get her back. She's the only hot girl I've ever dated that knew how to drive stick and I don't want to spend the next 10 years looking for another, lol.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:28

Congrats on the new baby!

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 19:29

Disagree.

I own a Mustang, and I get more compliments from non-car people then folks in proper performance cars. You don't need rare, but exotic helps. Really, it comes down to the presence of the vehicle, regardless of how an enthusiast feels about the car.

Tell you what, though; park my Mustang next to an M3 and by a bunch of girls and I assure you, they'll be more interested in the Mustang then they will be with the generic looking 3 series.

I get your point, I really do, I just think it can be done without being rare, and even without being exotic.

That said, I get it. I think the S197 Mustangs (pre-facelift) are some of the most beautiful mustangs since 1973.

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 19:29

What new baby?

Holy shit! I'm gonna be a dad.

/running on little sleep

ArmchairHero > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 19:36

I hear that. Much of my knowledge of the internal combustion engine came as the result of from pursuing an attractive, young junior with an RSX type-S when I was but 15.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:37

I have never owned a Mustang. I think what helps it is that a Mustang only looks like a Mustang. It may share parts with other cars but it doesn't share its bodywork with other Fords.

Also I think it depends a lot on location and the color of the car. Until recently I was living in Newport Beach. There are so many high end cars there that no M3, Mustang, 911 or Corvette will get a second look. You literally see at least one Ferrari and Bentley every single time you drive down PCH.

Now that I'm living 15 minutes inland there are still fancy cars, but not as many. Where I am now a sporty car doesn't have to be expensive to get looks or comments, but it does need to be a bright color. My cars are black, white and grey and they rarely get looks. But I've been in bright colored cars and everyone makes comments. Porsche gave me a new red Boxster S as a loaner when my car was in for service and the whole world loved it. Everyone would come up and make positive comments about it in parking lots, whereas my black 997 rarely ever gets noticed.

What color is your car?

Manuél Ferrari > ArmchairHero
10/18/2013 at 19:39

That is awesome. See what the car companies need to do is market sporty cars to young women. The millennial boys would get off their Facebook and get into cars if it created an opening to talk to girls.

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 19:43

Kinja'd!!!

Black and white. Haha. No, it's black.

Outside of Mustang people, little kids and people (men and women) who aren't that car saavy, most Mustangs don't earn a second glance. But among those kids, Mustang enthusiasts and the uninitiated they stand out because everyone knows what they are and there's a perception among those same groups that Mustangs are "good cars" or "muscle cars" etc.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:55

Nice. I like that body style in black. A guy that used to work for me had the same car with an MT. He commuted in an hour of stop and go (mostly stop) traffic each way to work so he sold it. But he loved the Mustang so much that he bought another black one, but with an AT.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 19:59

BTW I forgot to say - that Boxster S was a total hoon mobile. It didn't only get looks while parked, it got looks on the road when I get the back end out.

I had test driven the prior gen Cayman S and it didn't seem as tail happy. But the new Boxster/Cayman S "feel" like they got bigger power bumps than they did. It's so easy to get the tail out now that it's silly.

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 20:05

Mine is also a manual. I prefer to row my own and won't spend money on a car in which I can't.

This is just me, but I've never bought into the excuse that an automatic is acceptable if you're commuting. If you're driving a car, you're commuting, weather it's from the start/finish line on the track, or from home to work and back - it's all commuting thus if the excuse that an automatic is okay in these situations, then why not all?

Save The Manuals!

///M3 Track Car > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 20:07

Guys, come on.

The horrible reality is that during our best years we can't afford to have mid-six figure, summer only, 2 seater sports cars - and by the time we do, we just wish we were young enough again to properly enjoy them.

And old people love logos.

Life is cruel. It's not the guy's fault.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 20:09

I think it's the type of commuting that matters. Manuals are way more fun when the commute has no traffic or some traffic. This guy's commute was just awful. He only had one route and it was a parking lot every day.

Traffic is getting so bad here that it's killing the fun of driving. I moved closer to work this year literally to save myself from turning into a person that hates driving. Driving is fun again, and it's awesome.

Lets Just Drive > ///M3 Track Car
10/18/2013 at 20:10

I wasn't hatin' I was just statin'

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 20:13

Mind if I ask? Where do you live?

One of my very best friends, you can meet him and his car here , has an automatic (which he's tuned the heck out of) as he has a horrible commute to and from work also. I give him a hard time about it because I'm a hard-line row-your-own kind of guy but the truth is that there are absolutely some amazing automatic and manual automatic transmissions out there and while it's not to my taste, I'll still bust balls in the name of good fun.

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And having said all of that, when the wife and I upgrade there's a good chance that, if we end up with the ATS (hopefully V) I'll option the manual automatic but not if we end up with a nicely used CTS-V (which she's already agreed to, because wagon and current-prices are in budget).

Ferrero1911 > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 20:40

That is how it read. I was kind of kidding when I said he sounded jealous. Seemed like a light hearted review for fun and I thought it was funny until you came back like that. Apology accepted.

Lets Just Drive > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 20:55

You should check out the Mazad6 review. That one got under a few peoples skin, because they bought Mazda6's.

The beauty of being a Mustang owner is you don't get upset when people talk down about Mustangs. It's not a car for the thin of skin. Having said that, I have some friends and acquaintances who simply won't hear anything negative about their cars, they simply refuse to accept that their car is anything but the best car. Regular Cars loves taking on those projects, because its kind of like a big fuck you and calm down, rather then genuine hate.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 20:55

Sure, I don't mind answering. I live in northern Orange County, in CA. I don't mind saying which city, but I'd rather tell you over a private message (but can't find a way to do that with Kinja, is there one?). I know I'm being paranoid thinking that thieves troll these posts looking for targets. But who knows, someone could see from my posts that I have multiple high end cars and work a lot and try to find my house while I'm at work... I may have posted some pics to Oppo that had my house in the background so it might be doable to find it if the person knew which city it was in.

Your friend has a sick ride. The SS is such a beast. Since he likes big V8s he should buy a used Benz C63 or E63 one day. That way you won't be able to give him a hard time since Mercedes doesn't make MTs anymore :)

A CTS-V wagon would be awesome. ATS V would be nice too. My buddy just got the ATS 2.0 with a MT. He's pretty stoked on it. Every time I see his car I like it more and more. The exterior styling really grows on you after a while.

Ferrero1911 > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 21:06

I'll have to check out some of the other reviews.

The only thing that bothers me is when people call my car cute because that means they don't get it at all. I'll be the first to admit that it's not the best hot hatch on the market, but I think it's the most fun and it's the one for me (it's also pretty cheap).

///M3 Track Car > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 21:11

I know, it was more about the comments...

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/18/2013 at 21:45

I spent some time with an ATS 2.0 MT and I love the car. Since that article, and briefly before, I've had some more seat time with the car. I'm madly in love with the CTS-V, because wagon. And the truth is, even if it's more expensive new versus a used CTS-V, I'd be all over an ATS-V Sportwagon but, well... that's extremely unlikely. Which is a shame, because I'd love to have a 3-series estate competitor from GM. Hah.

I'm really impressed with the ATS. The 2.0 T makes enough power, the chassis is firm yet comfortable and the steering is precise. That said, I'm not a huge fan of the manual option and though loath to admit, I actually prefer the other option. It's one of maybe two areas where, in my humble opinion, the ATS falls short of the Bimmer - the BMW Getrag is a better manual. The other area, sadly, is rev-range and engine note. For me, however, the way the engine pulls isn't a big deal and it would be fixed, or at least hidden, by a slightly more aggressive engine note. I'm not talking exhaust here, but induction and kaboombustion.

In the car, you know it's not a BMW, but for the price difference it honestly feels like you're getting a better deal, a better relative value for your dollar. There is one thing, however; I hate. It's CUE. Now, I know I'd get used to it but the initial experience is frustrating.

I know, I'm echoing the web journo's. Probably has a lot to do with the material I'd read and reviewed before driving the car and the limited seat time I've had but you tend to focus on things when you think they're the focus of focusing. Hah.

Still, it's my pick in the demographic.

Kinja'd!!!

I have to admit to a bias. I've been in love with the ATS for a long time, pretty much since I first fell for the CTS-V. Difference is, while I'd be hesitant to buy a non-V CTS, I'd be happy with a non-V ATS with the 2.0T and performance package options.

Kinja'd!!!

Note: Shit Eating Grin behind wheel of CTS-V coupe (first time in a CTS-V of any kind).

This black diamond package Sportwagon was the other, only it wasn't on a show floor and it had the keys in. Big grin.

Kinja'd!!!

Lets Just Drive > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 21:56

I hope this isn't too offensive or mind blowing, but here we go...

... your car is cute. And the fact that you think people should think differently makes me think that you don't get it. Like, for example, my V6 Mustang get's called cute and I'm not like, "You guys just don't get it." Now, you may not think the logic plays the same, but it does indeed. Your car is a cute car made mean. Mine was a "mean" car made cute by it's V6. Two sides of the same coin, really. I promise.

But here's the thing; you need never be offended by the fact that you have a cute car, no more than I. Why? Because people love cute cars. The small group of gear-heads who really know their shit, they may call it cute in an attempt to deride the cool factor of your car but you need to own that shit. You need to be like, "Yeah motherfucker, it's cute. Now how many times did you get pulled over on that last leg?"

Cute has its advantages. Cute is invisible to cops. Cute is impossible to ignore if you're a chick. Cute gets you nods of approval and waves to, "... go ahead, friend." Cute appeals to a wider variety of people, fuck the six guys you might see in a week with big V8's trying to knock your shit.

Cute is good.

Cute keeps it's value and sells well down the road. Cute isn't offensive, it won't turn anyone off.

Cute, my friend, is either a term of endearment or the bitter pitch of jealousy.

Cute is for the win.

Lets Just Drive > ///M3 Track Car
10/18/2013 at 21:57

True.

Just the same, I picture you saying that aloud while quietly covering up the BMW logo'd shirt you're wearing.

Teasing.

Ferrero1911 > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 22:39

An ode to cute! I love it! The only people who have actually called my car cute are women who are not into cars (I am a woman in case you didn't know). I like to think it was cute, but now it's mean. Nothing will change the fact that after I park I take a look back and admire my car. I love it, and for every person that doesn't get it there are a several more asking how I like it or giving me a thumbs up on the freeway.

Lets Just Drive > Ferrero1911
10/18/2013 at 23:10

It's a great little car, that's for sure. Even Jay Leno was so taken by the new 500 Abarth he bought one and spec'd it up.

I didn't realize you're a woman, I'll admit. I suppose I can understand how the word "cute" might have different implications in that case. I'll ask my wife to sit me down and explain it to me.

So, do you love it?

///M3 Track Car > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 23:12

lol - touché.

Lets Just Drive > ///M3 Track Car
10/18/2013 at 23:13

I do have a Pony emblem etched tiny mock piston on my key-chain, though that's about it. My Ford badges are blacked out, even.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/18/2013 at 23:56

I'm with my Caddy owning buddy now. I didn't tell him his MT is inferior to the BMW unit. Ignorance is bliss.

I second your take on Cue. I've driven his car and it's god awful. It's not just awful. You have to say God first. It's so bad it's dangerous to use while driving. Just changing the radio volume is difficult. Hopefully a firmware update will solve the issue for my friend and other first gen ATS owners.

Dat CTS V you posted is the business. Black with yellow calipers is the way to go. Get that car if you can stomach the fuel usage. Big V8 and no Cue = Amazing

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/19/2013 at 00:29

The wife has said yes... yes, in the next two years. The same, however, is true for the ATS. Since we're about to become parents, and neither of us is willing to have a parents-mobile, she's totally okay with the wagon, four doors and so on and she likes that it's still RWD monster for me. Insurance and fuel, I budget.

That said, even at $35-$45K, a used CTS-V is going to have miles and no warranty while the ATS will have a warranty and no kilometers.

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/19/2013 at 04:05

This is how I would justify a used CTS V - a giant blown V8 isn't as stressed under normal driving as a small turbo charged 4 cylinder. The V8 laughs at public roads and existing mileage. A used one should last as long or longer than a new ATS engine.

Is that true? I dunno. But that's how I talked myself into a used E90 M3 instead of a new 335i :)

Shiftright > Lets Just Drive
10/19/2013 at 04:51

You can't really, just biased from a few Porsche Club attendances

Lets Just Drive > Manuél Ferrari
10/19/2013 at 14:36

I don't know if your logic works, but it works for me!

Manuél Ferrari > Lets Just Drive
10/19/2013 at 15:15

;) Pseudo science is the best when needing to justify a car purchase.

You should also use this logic to buy a used C7 one day. "The engine can't be tired after only 75,000 KMs, look how big it is and how light the car it's been moving around is!"

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Lets Just Drive
10/19/2013 at 18:16

The difference is the cost of the branded clothing and watches LOL

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Atomic Buffalo
10/19/2013 at 18:17

Nice. All Porsche guys are anorexic?

Atomic Buffalo > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom
10/19/2013 at 18:30

I don't know about that, but it's hard to get fat eating dust. ;)

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Atomic Buffalo
10/19/2013 at 18:43

Lots of Corvette guys *fart* dust, but I doubt they eat it - unless up against a GT2 or GT3..

Atomic Buffalo > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom
10/19/2013 at 19:55

See, you asked "all Porsche guys are anorexic?" and I answered "I don't know about that, but it's hard to get fat eating dust." The (I thought obvious) implication being that Porsche guys were slim not because they didn't eat, but because of what they ate, i.e. the dust of Corvettes. It's a friendly jab at Porsches and their owners , suggesting that they're slower than Corvettes, a reference to the longstanding power deficiency of most Porsches compared to their Corvette contemporaries. Of course the complete truth is more complex and nuanced, but that's not really the point of a humorous barb.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Atomic Buffalo
10/19/2013 at 23:17

Aha. See, I read that as a jab at Corvette owners; I played along with the stereotype with the "Corvette guys fart dust" comment suggesting they're a bit closer to AARP membership than they'd like to admit. At any rate, well played.